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		<title>By: amanda</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a ovo/lacto vegetarian now for about 10years and I would never go back to eating meat.  I do think this is an interesting topic though and i have never been to a Crossfit gym.  I choose to go vegetarian after reading The Food Revolution by John Robbins.  I do it for environmental and ethical issues, though i do think that if people are going to eat meat they should get organic, grass fed etc kinds.  I&#039;m currently reading the book The Thrive Diet by Brendan Brazier who is a triathlete and follows a vegan diet.  I would love for the Paleo&#039;s to read this and see what they think of it.   I also do believe that not everyone can be a vegetarian/vegan.  It might not work for everyone&#039;s body type, but if they tried to eat less meat or go some days without it, that would benefit them as well.

Thanks for the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a ovo/lacto vegetarian now for about 10years and I would never go back to eating meat.  I do think this is an interesting topic though and i have never been to a Crossfit gym.  I choose to go vegetarian after reading The Food Revolution by John Robbins.  I do it for environmental and ethical issues, though i do think that if people are going to eat meat they should get organic, grass fed etc kinds.  I&#8217;m currently reading the book The Thrive Diet by Brendan Brazier who is a triathlete and follows a vegan diet.  I would love for the Paleo&#8217;s to read this and see what they think of it.   I also do believe that not everyone can be a vegetarian/vegan.  It might not work for everyone&#8217;s body type, but if they tried to eat less meat or go some days without it, that would benefit them as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a vegetarian, i thought about joining crossfit, im glad i didnt. you cant force someone, who believes in what they are eating, or not eating for that matter to change thier diet just because YOU think its the right way. I cant find ONE top 10 or top 20 diets that have the Paleo diet on it !! not one. I am not one to put down other peoples lifestyles, because it all boils down to personal choice, and what we feel comfortable doing and eating in our lives. I just happen to come across this article and when i read it was like ok i will listen to what a Paleo has to say.. doesnt mean i&#039;ll be a follower, but i am very open to listening. after all these posts... i have changed my mind. Paleo seems to the bandwagon, and im not comfortable jumping on it. I love who I am what i stand for, and no crossFit is going to change that. They way people are talking about yoga (which i happen to love and not because im a vegetarian but because it makes me feel good, i get intouch with my soul and find my inner strengh) and how crossFit is the way to go.. its starting to sound like religion.. like a cult !! For instructors and fellow crossfiters to look down on someone because they CHOOSE not to eat meat it complete and utter bull crap.. its like the catholic church look down on the gay community. its not right. Let people be who THEY want to BE not who you crossFit junkies say they should. In your gyms you should be more open to different diets and have posts of different diets that benefit different body types. Not everyone can eat all the same things, and you people who are so hard core especially when it comes to maintaining the human body should know this. I am all about a healthy lifestyle with a good balanced food palate and regular exercise, but i am not going to let someone push into believing their way is the right way. I would never tell someone my way is the right way... its just the way i CHOOSE to live my life, animal/ cruelty free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a vegetarian, i thought about joining crossfit, im glad i didnt. you cant force someone, who believes in what they are eating, or not eating for that matter to change thier diet just because YOU think its the right way. I cant find ONE top 10 or top 20 diets that have the Paleo diet on it !! not one. I am not one to put down other peoples lifestyles, because it all boils down to personal choice, and what we feel comfortable doing and eating in our lives. I just happen to come across this article and when i read it was like ok i will listen to what a Paleo has to say.. doesnt mean i&#8217;ll be a follower, but i am very open to listening. after all these posts&#8230; i have changed my mind. Paleo seems to the bandwagon, and im not comfortable jumping on it. I love who I am what i stand for, and no crossFit is going to change that. They way people are talking about yoga (which i happen to love and not because im a vegetarian but because it makes me feel good, i get intouch with my soul and find my inner strengh) and how crossFit is the way to go.. its starting to sound like religion.. like a cult !! For instructors and fellow crossfiters to look down on someone because they CHOOSE not to eat meat it complete and utter bull crap.. its like the catholic church look down on the gay community. its not right. Let people be who THEY want to BE not who you crossFit junkies say they should. In your gyms you should be more open to different diets and have posts of different diets that benefit different body types. Not everyone can eat all the same things, and you people who are so hard core especially when it comes to maintaining the human body should know this. I am all about a healthy lifestyle with a good balanced food palate and regular exercise, but i am not going to let someone push into believing their way is the right way. I would never tell someone my way is the right way&#8230; its just the way i CHOOSE to live my life, animal/ cruelty free.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday August 9, 2011 &#124; CrossFit Riot &#124; Forging Elite Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday August 9, 2011 &#124; CrossFit Riot &#124; Forging Elite Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dallas @ Whole9</title>
		<link>http://whole9life.com/2010/02/vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-10857</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas @ Whole9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea,



While we don&#039;t think that a typical vegetarian diet will help most people thrive, we&#039;ve also not trying to &quot;convert&quot; you to meat-eating Paleo... ;)  For your daughter: we still think that she&#039;d be best served by a diet that excluded those problematic grains and legumes, but we&#039;d recommend adding plenty of healthy fats from coconut, olives/EVOO, avocado, and some nuts. The problem with her elimination of grains and legumes &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; the elimination of those problematic foods - it&#039;s the general caloric deficit that she is running without them (leading to excessive weight loss). Add a lot more healthy fats, and maybe some of the more protein-dense (though still suboptimal) vegetarian foods like tempeh, miso, or tofu, or some processed hemp/pea protein. Those are all less-than-great choices, but it might help her support her active lifestyle. Thanks for being a parent that really supports an active lifestyle in their kids, and leads by example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea,</p>
<p>While we don&#8217;t think that a typical vegetarian diet will help most people thrive, we&#8217;ve also not trying to &#8220;convert&#8221; you to meat-eating Paleo&#8230; <img src='http://whole9life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   For your daughter: we still think that she&#8217;d be best served by a diet that excluded those problematic grains and legumes, but we&#8217;d recommend adding plenty of healthy fats from coconut, olives/EVOO, avocado, and some nuts. The problem with her elimination of grains and legumes <em>isn&#8217;t</em> the elimination of those problematic foods &#8211; it&#8217;s the general caloric deficit that she is running without them (leading to excessive weight loss). Add a lot more healthy fats, and maybe some of the more protein-dense (though still suboptimal) vegetarian foods like tempeh, miso, or tofu, or some processed hemp/pea protein. Those are all less-than-great choices, but it might help her support her active lifestyle. Thanks for being a parent that really supports an active lifestyle in their kids, and leads by example.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.  I have been a vegetarian for 30 years and an athlete all my life (I am now almost 50).  I have excellent bone density, low blood pressure, low resting heart rate, low fasting blood sugar, excellent blood lipid profile and great strength to body weight ratio.  I&#039;m happy and healthy.   I do get a lot of criticism from well-meaning Crossfit friends, but I&#039;m fine.  I like the way I am and enjoy the way I eat.  

One thing that concerns me about the dogmatism I hear from the community is the effect it has had on my 15 year old daughter.  She has been vegetarian her entire life and is six feet tall, 140 pounds, solid and strong.  However, she is now trying to do &quot;Paleo&quot; by eliminating grains, and legumes from her vegetarian diet.  She is losing a lot of weight not getting fitter-stronger-faster in doing this.   I appreciate your respectful attitude and wish more people would take this approach, especially with children and teenagers.  Forcefully telling kids that they and their families are &quot;wrong&quot; feels, to me, frankly, wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  I have been a vegetarian for 30 years and an athlete all my life (I am now almost 50).  I have excellent bone density, low blood pressure, low resting heart rate, low fasting blood sugar, excellent blood lipid profile and great strength to body weight ratio.  I&#8217;m happy and healthy.   I do get a lot of criticism from well-meaning Crossfit friends, but I&#8217;m fine.  I like the way I am and enjoy the way I eat.  </p>
<p>One thing that concerns me about the dogmatism I hear from the community is the effect it has had on my 15 year old daughter.  She has been vegetarian her entire life and is six feet tall, 140 pounds, solid and strong.  However, she is now trying to do &#8220;Paleo&#8221; by eliminating grains, and legumes from her vegetarian diet.  She is losing a lot of weight not getting fitter-stronger-faster in doing this.   I appreciate your respectful attitude and wish more people would take this approach, especially with children and teenagers.  Forcefully telling kids that they and their families are &#8220;wrong&#8221; feels, to me, frankly, wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa @ Whole9</title>
		<link>http://whole9life.com/2010/02/vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-10855</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa @ Whole9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff Key:  We appreciate all opinions, even dissenting.  It&#039;s easy to understand your position, when you take into account that your primary source of information is the established medical community... which knows (or is taught, more accurately) little in the way of nutrition as part of their medical educations.  And the idea that consumption of dietary fat and cholesterol leading to heart attack and stroke has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proven to be outdated&lt;/a&gt; at this point - but unfortunately seems to be exactly what our doctors are STILL learning, and still preaching. 



In our vast practical experience working directly with CrossFitting clients, we&#039;ve yet to see a single person truly achieve optimal health on a strict vegetarian regimen.  And ALL have improved when they introduced some &lt;em&gt;high quality&lt;/em&gt; animal products into their diets.   But then again, we&#039;re not doctors.  (Maybe for our clients, however, that&#039;s for the best.)



@Mae:  Thank you for your testimonial.  That has been our experience too, although as we said, we are more than open to working within whatever parameters our clients have set for themselves.  We appreciate your contribution here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff Key:  We appreciate all opinions, even dissenting.  It&#8217;s easy to understand your position, when you take into account that your primary source of information is the established medical community&#8230; which knows (or is taught, more accurately) little in the way of nutrition as part of their medical educations.  And the idea that consumption of dietary fat and cholesterol leading to heart attack and stroke has <a href="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1" rel="nofollow">proven to be outdated</a> at this point &#8211; but unfortunately seems to be exactly what our doctors are STILL learning, and still preaching. </p>
<p>In our vast practical experience working directly with CrossFitting clients, we&#8217;ve yet to see a single person truly achieve optimal health on a strict vegetarian regimen.  And ALL have improved when they introduced some <em>high quality</em> animal products into their diets.   But then again, we&#8217;re not doctors.  (Maybe for our clients, however, that&#8217;s for the best.)</p>
<p>@Mae:  Thank you for your testimonial.  That has been our experience too, although as we said, we are more than open to working within whatever parameters our clients have set for themselves.  We appreciate your contribution here!</p>
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		<title>By: Mae</title>
		<link>http://whole9life.com/2010/02/vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-10854</link>
		<dc:creator>Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to both CrossFit and the Paleo way of eating. I was every shade of vegetarian, vegan, raw, macrobiotic etc for 15 years at the end of which I suffered a myriad of health issues. I have been run through a battery of tests including those for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, all have come back negative. I am 28.  2 months ago I finally introduced meat into my diet and I have to say the debilitating pain, inflammation and lethargy I have been living with for 5 years has virtually disappeared. Before I began to eat meat I was an avid practitioner of yoga. Now you probably couldn&#039;t pay me to set foot in a studio. I simply don&#039;t want to be judged and ridiculed for doing something that is probably saving my life. I applaud you for your tact, acceptance and sensitivity towards your vegetarian students. I wish some vegetarian teachers would adopt the same attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to both CrossFit and the Paleo way of eating. I was every shade of vegetarian, vegan, raw, macrobiotic etc for 15 years at the end of which I suffered a myriad of health issues. I have been run through a battery of tests including those for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, all have come back negative. I am 28.  2 months ago I finally introduced meat into my diet and I have to say the debilitating pain, inflammation and lethargy I have been living with for 5 years has virtually disappeared. Before I began to eat meat I was an avid practitioner of yoga. Now you probably couldn&#8217;t pay me to set foot in a studio. I simply don&#8217;t want to be judged and ridiculed for doing something that is probably saving my life. I applaud you for your tact, acceptance and sensitivity towards your vegetarian students. I wish some vegetarian teachers would adopt the same attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Key</title>
		<link>http://whole9life.com/2010/02/vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-10853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article (and many of the posts) reminds me of the Alcoholics Anonymous chapter &quot;We Agnostics,&quot; where they attempt to reinforce the &quot;god as we understood HIM&quot; part of AA.  By the time you finish the chapter though (and read other writings about the subject in AA literature) you&#039;ll see behind the curtain.  The moral of the story seems to end up &quot;sooner of later you&#039;ll believe in god too.&quot;  I happen to know that there are many sober folk in recovery who continue to be agnostic and are able to stay sober just fine and there are plenty of Crossfitters who continue to thrive without killing animals to do it.  

My husband&#039;s in med-school.  It&#039;s hilarious to hear people talk about the &quot;unhealthiness&quot; of a vegetarian diet when heart disease is America&#039;s number one killer and food from animals is the number one contributor to arterial plaque.  

I just wish somebody would be honest and say &quot;I eat it because I like the taste of it&quot; and leave all that other nonsense to the meat-heads who believe everything their high school football coach told them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article (and many of the posts) reminds me of the Alcoholics Anonymous chapter &#8220;We Agnostics,&#8221; where they attempt to reinforce the &#8220;god as we understood HIM&#8221; part of AA.  By the time you finish the chapter though (and read other writings about the subject in AA literature) you&#8217;ll see behind the curtain.  The moral of the story seems to end up &#8220;sooner of later you&#8217;ll believe in god too.&#8221;  I happen to know that there are many sober folk in recovery who continue to be agnostic and are able to stay sober just fine and there are plenty of Crossfitters who continue to thrive without killing animals to do it.  </p>
<p>My husband&#8217;s in med-school.  It&#8217;s hilarious to hear people talk about the &#8220;unhealthiness&#8221; of a vegetarian diet when heart disease is America&#8217;s number one killer and food from animals is the number one contributor to arterial plaque.  </p>
<p>I just wish somebody would be honest and say &#8220;I eat it because I like the taste of it&#8221; and leave all that other nonsense to the meat-heads who believe everything their high school football coach told them.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
		<link>http://whole9life.com/2010/02/vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-10852</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve heard of lots of vegetarians, and most commonly vegans, whose doctors have advised them to start eating meat or else suffer a whole host of health problems. I suspect that there are many more who would just never admit it. I’ve never heard of a meat eater whose doctor advised them to stop eating meat in the interest of their health.&quot;

Try all the doctors that recommend cutting out meat, dairy &amp; eggs for heart health. My own father was steered in that direction after his heart attack.  Not that I&#039;m saying doctors necessarily know what they&#039;re talking about when it comes to nutrition, especially not vegetarian nutrition. I think we&#039;ve all heard about how little training your average GP has in that field. When you look at it like that, perhaps it doesn&#039;t really matter that you&#039;ve heard that doctors advise vegetarian patients to start scarfing down ribs?

I hope vegetarians and vegans who HAVE researched their diet don&#039;t back down from what they know: veg*nism and Crossfit can fit together very well, and as Anu mentions above, adopting a better diet is going to improve your health and athletic performance without necessarily compromising your religious, ethical, or environmental beliefs.

And yes, Emily M., nutritionally educated veg*ns do exist, we&#039;re just not necessarily the ones bringing it up in conversation because we&#039;re 18 and recently decided to subsist on a diet of spaghetti from the can and white rice because our favourite band did an ad for PETA. Maybe get out and meet a few more before you start throwing out statisics you pulled from your nether regions?

You may also want to take into account that the western world is set up for meat eaters, not veg*ns; we have to work a lot harder than you to get proper dietary information and advice.  It&#039;s only natural that our process of discovery might take longer.  Luckily, many new vegetarians will at least try to lay their hands on information about their new diet, unlike people raised omnivorous who may never need to seek it out.

&quot;So in the same vein as not preaching the Paleo Gospel, we’re not out to “rebut” the “arguments” for vegetarianism. We simply strive to present valuable information to people about how to live happier, healthier (and less confrontational!) lives, and let them decide for themselves what is the best path for them.&quot;

Dallas and Melissa - I appreciate your attitude toward veg*n Crossfitters interested in nutrition:  understanding and accepting of other diets while still trying to keep everyone as healthy as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve heard of lots of vegetarians, and most commonly vegans, whose doctors have advised them to start eating meat or else suffer a whole host of health problems. I suspect that there are many more who would just never admit it. I’ve never heard of a meat eater whose doctor advised them to stop eating meat in the interest of their health.&#8221;</p>
<p>Try all the doctors that recommend cutting out meat, dairy &amp; eggs for heart health. My own father was steered in that direction after his heart attack.  Not that I&#8217;m saying doctors necessarily know what they&#8217;re talking about when it comes to nutrition, especially not vegetarian nutrition. I think we&#8217;ve all heard about how little training your average GP has in that field. When you look at it like that, perhaps it doesn&#8217;t really matter that you&#8217;ve heard that doctors advise vegetarian patients to start scarfing down ribs?</p>
<p>I hope vegetarians and vegans who HAVE researched their diet don&#8217;t back down from what they know: veg*nism and Crossfit can fit together very well, and as Anu mentions above, adopting a better diet is going to improve your health and athletic performance without necessarily compromising your religious, ethical, or environmental beliefs.</p>
<p>And yes, Emily M., nutritionally educated veg*ns do exist, we&#8217;re just not necessarily the ones bringing it up in conversation because we&#8217;re 18 and recently decided to subsist on a diet of spaghetti from the can and white rice because our favourite band did an ad for PETA. Maybe get out and meet a few more before you start throwing out statisics you pulled from your nether regions?</p>
<p>You may also want to take into account that the western world is set up for meat eaters, not veg*ns; we have to work a lot harder than you to get proper dietary information and advice.  It&#8217;s only natural that our process of discovery might take longer.  Luckily, many new vegetarians will at least try to lay their hands on information about their new diet, unlike people raised omnivorous who may never need to seek it out.</p>
<p>&#8220;So in the same vein as not preaching the Paleo Gospel, we’re not out to “rebut” the “arguments” for vegetarianism. We simply strive to present valuable information to people about how to live happier, healthier (and less confrontational!) lives, and let them decide for themselves what is the best path for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dallas and Melissa &#8211; I appreciate your attitude toward veg*n Crossfitters interested in nutrition:  understanding and accepting of other diets while still trying to keep everyone as healthy as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: geekfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the article.
I&#039;ll third or fourth reading &quot;The Vegetarian Myth&quot;
I never understood or could consider the vegetarian perspective until I read this book. Just couldn&#039;t understand why anyone would undertake vegetarianism other than for religious reasons.  After reading this book I understand more clearly the numerous lines of thinking that vegetarians have and sympathize with some of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the article.<br />
I&#8217;ll third or fourth reading &#8220;The Vegetarian Myth&#8221;<br />
I never understood or could consider the vegetarian perspective until I read this book. Just couldn&#8217;t understand why anyone would undertake vegetarianism other than for religious reasons.  After reading this book I understand more clearly the numerous lines of thinking that vegetarians have and sympathize with some of them.</p>
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