NOTE: This post is now front page news on Robb Wolf’s web site. I have died and gone to Science-y heaven.
The fourth member of our group this weekend was Mathieu Lalonde, from Cambridge, MA. In Matt’s own words, “I have no background in nutrition and exercise. I’m a chemist with a lifelong interest in nutrition and human performance. My background allows me to understand the nutrition and exercise literature that I delve into as a hobby. I obtained my bachelor’s degree in science with a concentration in chemistry from the University of Ottawa (Canada). I then obtained my PhD in organic chemistry at Harvard University. I am currently pursuing post-doctoral studies in inorganic chemistry at Harvard.” (Translation: Matt is scary Smart.)
Matt has also obtained several CrossFit certifications, including Level 1 Instructor, Basic Barbell, Level 1 Gymnastics, Nutrition, and Running. He also hopes to pass the test and obtain his Science of Exercise certificate. (I told him to let me know if he runs across any really big words he doesn’t understand.)
Matt has a real gift for explaining extremely complicated, highly technical concepts in a manner that is not only easy to grasp, but directly relatable our training, nutrition and fitness. Some of the most exciting things I learned this weekend came from our off-line discussions. I’ve even quoted some of it back to friends and family already. (Like why adding cinnamon to your coffee gives you an extra buzz.)
Upon our return from Texas, Lu and I continued to talk with Matt about nutrition and diet. We both eat Paleo, and have dabbled with Zone. From our conversations came the below exchange – a clear and concise breakdown of several semi-confusing Zone and Paleo points. I’m betting our questions are your questions, so if you’re trying to clean up your diet, just starting to eat Zone and/or Paleo or looking for the best way to optimize performance, Matt’s advice is a must read.
Lu: In preparation for the Games Qualifiers (May 16th), I bought the Paleo for Athletes book. I can already tell a difference with how I’m feeling, but any additional advice you can give me with my diet would be great.
Matt: All you need to do is follow the CrossFit prescription of meats, vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar, no grains, no legumes (including soy and peanuts) and no dairy. The hard part is finding the right ratio of protein, fat, and carbohydrate. I personally work best on 20% carbohydrate, 35% protein, and 45% fat. The ratios that are recommended by the Zone (40% carbohydrate, 30% protein, 30% fat) are a good place to start, but typically too high in carbohydrates. You will have to experiment in order to find what works best for you. Keep in mind that the leaner you get, the more fat you should consume.
Me: And that is one of the trickiest things about Zone – the fat blocks. Do you double, triple? How do you figure out how much you should be eating?
Matt: The best strategy to find your optimal fat intake is to use one of Robb Wolf’s approaches: Cut out one carb block and replace it with three fat blocks. Gradually continue to cut out carb blocks and add fat blocks until you find your ideal Zone.
Me: For example, my sister is on the Zone, at 13 blocks, with 2x fat. She eats 13 blocks of protein, 13 blocks of carbs and 26 blocks of fat. You recommend that she sub out one carb block, and add in 3 fat blocks. So she’d do 13P, 12C and 29F. Is that correct?
Matt: Yes, that is correct.
Me: And she could keep subbing out carbs for fats in the same manner, until… what? You say “until you find your ideal Zone”, but what should you be looking for to determine when you are at the right level?
Matt: You want to look out for hunger, energy levels, performance, and recovery. If your sister is always hungry on the Zone, or if she feels a little sleepy after a meal, she is likely eating too many carbs. She should gravitate slowly toward more fat until the problems are resolved. Conversely, if you do not perform as well as you usually do in your next few workouts, you may be eating too few carbs. (Your glycogen stores are not being replenished fast enough.) So energy levels are a big indicator of whether or not you have reached the ideal Zone. Remember, CrossFit’s “Zone” was developed not just for weight loss but for peak athletic performance as well. Regardless, you probably don’t want to go much lower than 20% carbohydrate.
And you will know immediately if you are eating too much fat. Some of the fat will escape the GI tract and end up wreaking havoc on your digestive system. Enough said.
Me: Another question… I eat fat on its own (like avocado and EVOO), but I also get fat from some protein sources (like bacon). How do I figure out how much I’m really eating?
Matt: For the most part, unless you are already overweight, don’t worry about the fat content of the meat. Just use common sense. If you eat really fatty meat like bacon or sausage, just eat a little less fat in the form of nuts, seeds, olive oil or avocado. I also disagree with Dr. Loren Cordain (author of “Paleo for Athletes”) on a few points. He recommends that we eat walnuts and macadamia nuts and that we consume oils such as flaxseed oil and canola oil because they contain more omega 3 fatty acids. There is a huge problem here! These plant sources of omega 3 fatty acids contain alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) almost exclusively. The omega 3 fatty acids that you really need are EPA and DHA. The body can transform ALA into EPA and DHA, but the process is really inefficient. And during that process, the excess ALA spills over into pathways that synthesize bad hormones. Clinical studies have shown that too much flax seed supplementation causes cancer (amongst other problems).
Me: So what are better fatty acid foods?
Matt: Eat walnuts, macadamia nuts, and flax seeds if you want to, just don’t overdo it. I recommend getting your omega 3 fatty acids from game meat, fish and fish oil, as well as grass fed beef. Robb recommends anywhere between 1 to 15 grams of omega 3 supplementation (fish oil) per day.
Also, don’t use walnut oil or flax seed oil for cooking. Just use olive oil and coconut oil, as well as animal fats. I have no problems with butter, although some of the Paleo purists might disagree. Canola oil is thought to be fine for cooking, but I personally avoid it for the reasons I previously mentioned.
Lu: So how much you eat matters, and obviously WHAT you eat matters… what about WHEN you eat? Specifically, how do I figure out this whole post workout (PWO) thing?
Matt: Robb Wolf often recommends consuming half of your day’s carb blocks in the form of high glycemic carbs (such as sweet potatoes) immediately a
fter a workout. This is effective for quick recovery, and to put on muscle mass. Here is why this works:
When you train, your body turns on a process called ‘non-insulin mediated glucose transport or intake’. That means your cells can now absorb glucose from the bloodstream without the help of the hormone insulin. This makes sense – when you need energy (glucose) and you need it fast, you eliminate the middleman (insulin). This rapid response diminishes gradually once you stop exercising, and is completely shut off after about an hour. That means that if you consume some good quality food that is readily absorbed immediately after your workout (ideally within 30 minutes), your cells will quickly replenish their glycogen stores. The best food to eat after a workout is protein (for muscle repair) and high glycemic carbohydrates (to replenish glycogen stores). You want to avoid foods that contain fat and fiber because they slow down digestion, and the ensuing absorption of nutrients. As an example, Robb often recommends salmon and sweet potatoes as the ideal PWO meal.
Me: I actually train in a fasted state, and don’t eat for a few hours after exercising. I’ve found if I try to cram food down post workout, it kind of messes up my energy and eating for the rest of the day. What’s going on there?
Matt: There is a caveat to all of this. Depending on your metabolism, you might not want to eat immediately after a workout. For example, I spent my childhood eating Rice Krispies for breakfast – drenched in milk and covered in added sugar. I completely screwed up my insulin sensitivity in the process – I became somewhat insulin resistant -which is evident by how easily I put on weight at the waist. (When you see people who are fat and round, they likely suffer from insulin resistance. The hormone causes fat accumulation at the waist.) Given that insulin is involved in various energy storage pathways and a plethora of other physiological responses, it is in your best interest to have the highest insulin sensitivity possible. As a result, I now do as much as I can to improve my insulin sensitivity.
The hormonal changes that occur during and after a workout greatly improve insulin sensitivity. However, if you eat high density carbohydrates within 30 minutes of a workout, you ruin the insulin sensitivity that you’ve gained. You recover quickly, but your insulin sensitivity probably doesn’t improve – which should be your big picture goal. In this instance, here is what I would recommend… If you are at a competition or event where you are performing multiple workouts, eat protein and carbohydrate (no fat, no fiber) immediately after your workout. Under normal circumstances where you will not be working out for another 12 to 24 hours, don’t eat until at least one hour after your workout.
Lu and I have a theory that scientists are the new rock stars… and with Matt’s talent, he should be playing to a sold out house. While this only covers a tiny portion of diet and nutrition for athletes, I’m hoping we can get Matt to take a few minutes away from his busy day of purifying chemicals using flash column chromatography and taking nuclear magnetic resonance spectrums of compounds (seriously) to guest post here again.
Mathieu Lalonde, thinking Smart things at Harvard. Note, I do have an alternate SUPER HOT picture of him, but for fear of causing a girly riot that would make the hallways of Harvard look like a Jonas Brothers Concert, I don’t dare post it here. You can find Matt on Facebook under “Mathieu Lalonde”.
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Kevin Daigle says
My disdain for the fact that I did not get to go to this summit of immense kinesthetic, and chemical/nutrition discourse is growing. This of course means I’m going to be attempting to pick your brain more often.
Something has happened to me in the past couple of months, and information like this (supplied by you, and people like yourself) is the catalyst for the entire thing. Now I ACTUALLY care about what I eat to a large extent.
I think its because by befriending other people that have embraced the concept, I’ve gotten more than the typical arrogant, haughty attitude such has “hmmpfff….you eat that?” that is so common. I’ve actually gleaned an exception amount of empirical and anecdotal data and information. This has caused a paradigm shift for me, going from not know much of anything about nutrition (mainly because I didn’t care) to knowing enough to pique the curiosity of the intellectual sponge known as my brain.
Now that I have a framework of ideas on which to underpin this entire concept, I understand to some degree HOW it works. So now I can look at it, and not scoff….but ask for guidance.
I haven’t changed my habits yet, but I’m gathering information. When I start doing that (in any context) action is not far away.
Thanks Melissa for continuing to share such great information with all of us. I hope you continue to do so for a long time.
Today’s ridiculous confirmation word is “tubcombu”
Mark R. says
Thanks for sharing- this is an AWESOME amount of advice, and for someone who is in the midst of figuring it all out, it came at a perfect time to start tweaking.
Hey, you just reiterated much of what I’ve learned from Robb Wolff (directly and indirectly) about managing diet over the past year and managed to do it with even more nifty scientific detail, which I of course need to truly appreciate anything. Great stuff. Science is hot.
Brandon P. Petersen says
VERY INFORMATIVE –
GREAT POST !
Matt is one smart dude…
Bob Guere says
Are you actually TRYING to make your posts better and better everyday? Or does this come natural? I wish I had your gift for the pen…er… keyboard. If my writing was up to par with my instructing, I’d be you. Without the tramp stamp of course. :)
Great post today, time to cut, paste, and email to friends.
I really appreciate your being our roving reporter out in the field. And translator. And musicologist.
Kevin Daigle says
1) Will the ever-expanding notoriety of Mox Byers ever slow down? Or like the universe, will it keep growing forever….
2) Will there ever be a link to your blog that doesn’t include the term “smoking hot” or equivalent?
Matt has more barins than should be allowed… Thank the Lawd he is on our side!
Great post,,, kinda reeks of girly,,, love,,, ewwww that smell!
“NOTE: This post is now front page news on Robb Wolf’s web site.”
My Byers Envy grows! : )
A good post – thanks to Rob for pointing it out
Jay Ashman says
I love this information and this post. I saved this to my favorites and I am reposting this on my blog for others to read. FANTASTIC blog post.
well done…top notch post!
Brian PCF says
Going up on the Potomac Crossfit main page. Great post Melissa/Matt.
Robb Wolf says
Hey girl! Sorry for the misplaced “e”‘s and “i”‘s. You can put an E on the end of my name for retaliation!
Wow, super helpful post.
Christin Street says
Great post Melissa! I’ll be linking this on my CF blog (which is numero uno since you left)!
Melissa Cvjeticanin says
I only wish this post was longer!
Ok seriously Byers….did you have a tape recorder in your lululemon sports bra?
GOOD STUFF girlfriend! Great post as always.
Brian PCF says
Wanted to add two links that deal with the recent European Journal of Clinical Nutrition study of the Paleo diet as it ties in well with what Matt is talking about here:
Dr. Eades commentary:
Whole Health Source commentary:
Short version: Paleo good. I especially liked that part about how they had to overfeed the participants 329 calories/day in order to keep them from losing weight.
Frequent Reader says
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“Lu and I have a theory that scientists are the new rock stars…”
They’re also the old rock stars. Back during WWII (think the Manhattan Project), nuclear and quantum physicists lived like rock stars do now. Einstein and Feynman were both pretty well known womanizers. Matt is following in a proud tradition!
Rex aka Annette says
AHHHGHGHGHG! Thank you!!! I want more.
“The hormonal changes that occur during and after a workout greatly improve insulin sensitivity. However, if you eat high density carbohydrates within 30 minutes of a workout, you ruin the insulin sensitivity that you’ve gained. You recover quickly, but your insulin sensitivity probably doesn’t improve – which should be your big picture goal. In this instance, here is what I would recommend… If you are at a competition or event where you are performing multiple workouts, eat protein and carbohydrate (no fat, no fiber) immediately after your workout. Under normal circumstances where you will not be working out for another 12 to 24 hours, don’t eat until at least one hour after your workout.”
When you say 20% carbs is it 20% calories in carbs of the whole meal?